{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"31746519","dateCreated":"1292377804","smartDate":"Dec 14, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"misterwall","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/misterwall","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285035445\/misterwall-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iqeq.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/31746519"},"dateDigested":1532762822,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Reason and Truth","description":"Is it possible to use reason to find an absolute truth? This assumes, of course, that there is an absolute truth to be found; is there such a thing as an absolute, capital-T "Truth?" Is the use of reason also the use of Truth? Can I use valid arguments to create truth, or is this assuming that truth can be "created?"","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"32125350","body":"
\nYeah, does the search for truth always have such spiritual connotations? Many of you seem to be using religious tones and similar considerations when approaching this topic. I assume, then, that a few of you are taking my question ("is there such a thing as an absolute, capital-T 'Truth'") as the primary question. Fair enough, as the discussion does need to start with that, on a definition-level. Soo-Hyung made a distinction before coming up with his response, for example.
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\nSometimes I wonder how much we humans really value Truth-through-reason or not. We like to affirm our position that Truth is the end result of reason, but we also like to do all that "special pleading" (remember your fallacies?) and can change our mind when we don't like it. To put another way, if you say there is no "absolute truth," is that because you like it that way?
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\nAlso, Chae-Young, you seem to be saying contradictory things. One, that there is no absolute truth because we are making up our laws. Two, that we could never know absolute truth because of our limitations-- but that last one assumes there is an absolute truth in the first place?","dateCreated":"1293657904","smartDate":"Dec 29, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"misterwall","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/misterwall","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285035445\/misterwall-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32179072","body":"I also feel there is no absolute truth. I think this way because I believe that no absolutes can define reality. Also in response to @Chae-Young, I think that laws are just something put in place that don't really matter. Don't get me wrong it is good to have laws but I believe more in situational ethics which is the belief of what is right and wrong is relative to the situation. Overall this situational ethics say that there is no right or wrong but whatever feels right in a situation is right and what is wrong is wrong.","dateCreated":"1294040284","smartDate":"Jan 2, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"aaronolin","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/aaronolin","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285209639\/aaronolin-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32210748","body":"Unless we can see other realities other than our own, no matter how hard we try we can never find a universal and absolute truth, as it will never apply to everything. Scientists have tried since Einstein found the general theory of relativity, but no one has come very far, and since religious people strongly believe something else, we will never have a universal truth that everybody will believe. Valid arguments can form your own truth, and it can be shared by others, but there will always be people who won't believe it. In my opinion, Descartes found the ultimate truth when he said the famous quote, "I think, therefore I am."","dateCreated":"1294106359","smartDate":"Jan 3, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Gerard777","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Gerard777","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32212638","body":"
\nAaron, sounds to me you aren't using reasoning but rather emotion. You are using phrases like "it is good" and "whatever feels right." Responses like these lead to the fallacies of special pleading and equivocation. As above, if I have to guess, you are interpreting the prompt to align with an emotional\/spiritual aspect of Truth. Are there truths that exist in a physical sense? How are they different than nonphysical truths? Is it possible to have Truth regardless of an emotional response?
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\nGerard, we will address this when we talk about Science next semester. But to preview-- are scientists really trying to "find" truth? Yes, the so-called Theory of Everything is a holy grail of scientific inquiry, but would such a Theory be accepted as Truth? Reasonably-speaking, even if we get that, would it be a conclusion, or merely another premise by which we reach a separate conclusion? In other words, if you manage to explain a scientific principle, is it enough to call it "truth?"","dateCreated":"1294109818","smartDate":"Jan 3, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"misterwall","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/misterwall","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285035445\/misterwall-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32217260","body":"I think that it is possible the other way around - we can prove a truth by using reason. For example, a scientific law never fails. We can use reason to justify this by saying "if this statement has never failed and has always produced the same result, then it must be true."","dateCreated":"1294140307","smartDate":"Jan 4, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"edwardcannell","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/edwardcannell","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32225476","body":"I want to emphasize that absolute is a relative term and a lot in human understanding depends on the definition of the word that he understands. Specifically, it's up to him or her how and what he feels or realizes about that particular meaning. Everything in our world is defined. When A asks B, "Do you like chocolate?" though the answer might be in yes or no form, however the image that comes into B's mind while answering and A's mind while questioning most probably will be different.","dateCreated":"1294153923","smartDate":"Jan 4, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"SooHyungJunggg","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/SooHyungJunggg","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32261936","body":"I don't believe that there is such a thing called an absolute truth, as we are not able to use reason in a way that determines an answer to a full 100%.","dateCreated":"1294208044","smartDate":"Jan 4, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"seean9","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/seean9","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285501774\/seean9-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32375608","body":"Nothing is 100 percent so i dont believe in absolute truth. But it depends on different point of view, some people might see something differently than other people.","dateCreated":"1294406115","smartDate":"Jan 7, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"kiyoh","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/kiyoh","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32436166","body":"Although it is possible to use reason to get close to the truth, you can never find an "absolute" truth. I think that the use of reason is the process of approaching the truth, and the use of truth is to approach something further extent, so I think that the use of reason is something different from the use of truth. To create truth using valid arguments is assuming that truth can be "created" because not all valid arguments can be "true."","dateCreated":"1294535321","smartDate":"Jan 8, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"narijr16","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/narijr16","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32437106","body":"I believe that absolute truths can be found. Indeed, reason comes from perception, and perception varies what we as individuals believe to be true. However, there must be an absolute truth that has supported the foundation of a human being, a truth that, no matter where you come from or who you are, can be supported by valid reasons. I believe that truths cannot be created. Truths are inevitable consequences of the fact that there is, what we call, "world" in which we live in.","dateCreated":"1294539093","smartDate":"Jan 8, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"harryosullivan94","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/harryosullivan94","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32531394","body":"I think that it is possible to use reasons to find an absolute truth. However, that "absolute truth" isn't always same as the others' "absolute truth." As long as you believe it and assume that is a true, it is always possible to find an absolute truth.","dateCreated":"1294759868","smartDate":"Jan 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"takukitamura","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/takukitamura","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33034220","body":"I don't think we are able to reason to find the absolute truth. First of all, what is the "absolute truth?" I guess this is a word that humans made up to satisfy themselves from finding the truth. From what I assume, "absolute truth" means that a statement is 100.0000% true, without 0.0000000001% of fallacy into it. This is almost impossible to prove with the small human brain capacity. Something much bigger than us, such like space or God can only know the absolute truth.
\nTo make it simple, the world exists with the undoubted equation of 1+1=2. However, how do we know that this is true? why is 1 plus 1 equal to 2? why can't 4+4=2?
\nWe live under the unwritten rule of 1+1=2, and that is the way how nature is. However, the absolute truth might be 4+4=2, and we just haven't realized it, nor don't want to accept it, just like how Galileo presented the Heliocentric theory. We are afraid to know the truth because there is a possibility of the world to collapse. We don't want to lose what we have gained in the past million years.
\nTherefore, I don't think it is possible to reason to find the absolute truth.","dateCreated":"1295765921","smartDate":"Jan 22, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"alberttakagi","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/alberttakagi","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":6}]},{"id":"31746493","dateCreated":"1292377786","smartDate":"Dec 14, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"misterwall","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/misterwall","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285035445\/misterwall-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iqeq.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/31746493"},"dateDigested":1532762823,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Human Reasoning","description":"Is reason a distinctively human trait or not? If so, is reason an essential human trait? Why or why not?","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"32179164","body":"I feel that reason is not a distinctively human trait and that animals can have reason also. For example, my dog would pretend like she couldn't move if we tried to get her off the couch. This was so she could stay comfortable and resume her all day napping. I think that reason is an essential trait to all life because it is used in everyday life.","dateCreated":"1294042452","smartDate":"Jan 3, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"aaronolin","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/aaronolin","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285209639\/aaronolin-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32181864","body":"Animals reason too. If an animal wishes to find food, and he sees it across a raging river, he uses his reasoning and decides not to cross it, valuing his life more than some food.","dateCreated":"1294062275","smartDate":"Jan 3, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Gerard777","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Gerard777","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32189484","body":"There definitely is a reasoning force that drives all living organisms to conciously or sub-consciously do things because the whole point in life is to try to stay alive.
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\nAlthough people seem to do things knowing that it will reduce their lifespans or their chances on living, they do so to accomplish happiness; which has become more important than life itself for a lot of people.","dateCreated":"1294073162","smartDate":"Jan 3, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"matthieu836","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/matthieu836","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285504944\/matthieu836-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32212310","body":"
\nGerard\/Matthieu, is the dog in that example truly reasoning? Could you even extend that thought to a paramecium searching for food as a kind of reasoning? To what extent is reasoning merely a response to stimuli? Even Matthieu mentioning a search for happiness is really just choosing to pursue a path that results in a stimulation. How is that reasonable?
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\n@Quentin: Could we propose that reasoning is a choice? Certainly human beings wouldn't need logarithms to survive, but at some point its invention was beneficial to life in other ways and we continued to pursue it. Maybe this is similar to the "everyday reasoning" prompt-- do we chose how much reasoning we use in our daily lives and\/or our lifetime overall?","dateCreated":"1294109069","smartDate":"Jan 3, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"misterwall","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/misterwall","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285035445\/misterwall-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32215448","body":"I don't think that there is a definable difference between reasoning and response to stimuli. Fundamentally, a response to stimuli IS a reason, I think the differences come about when you change the scale\/size of things and the circumstances that certain organisms are up against.
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\nThe line between "human reasoning" and "animal reasoning" are blurred if not non-existent because the only difference is that both "types" of reasoning have adapted and configured differently to their respective ecosystems.","dateCreated":"1294122521","smartDate":"Jan 3, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"matthieu836","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/matthieu836","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285504944\/matthieu836-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32217168","body":"I think that humans are not the only living things with reason, as other developed animals (mainly mammals) also need reason in order to survive, such as in Gerard's example. So, reason is essential not only for humans, but for a lot of other living thins as well. However, I also think that humans are the most adept at using reason, and that humans also use reason the most compared to other animals.","dateCreated":"1294139872","smartDate":"Jan 4, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"edwardcannell","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/edwardcannell","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32226588","body":"I think that animals also reason as human do. It seems like an instinct for animals, but in terms of desert fox, it knows how to hunt scorpion. It's going to get rid of the tale part of scorpion first in order to prevent any poisonous attack from the scorpion. Also, mammals like chimpanzees reason for the survival such as using diverse instruments like humans do. The fact that humans use the most complicated reasoning makes people believe the reasoning is an only trait for human, I assume.","dateCreated":"1294155183","smartDate":"Jan 4, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"SooHyungJunggg","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/SooHyungJunggg","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32261902","body":"I believe that reasoning is an essential human trait as the ability of humans to reason is what separates us from other animals on the planet who are not capable of using reasoning to control their judgments.","dateCreated":"1294207591","smartDate":"Jan 4, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"seean9","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/seean9","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285501774\/seean9-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32261974","body":"In response to Gerrard's comment about the animal not crossing the river for food.. I do believe that the animal has used reasoning, but also used a mixture and combination of other things such as experience and ability to actually cross the river.","dateCreated":"1294208345","smartDate":"Jan 4, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"seean9","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/seean9","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285501774\/seean9-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32375270","body":"Reasoning is not the only human trait. Animals are also using reasons to survive in their lives. I think reasoning is one element of experience because reasoning is something you learn or acquire from experience.
\nHuman needs reason to live in their own complicated society.","dateCreated":"1294405414","smartDate":"Jan 7, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"kiyoh","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/kiyoh","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32440146","body":"Reason is not a distinctive human trait because I am sure that other living creatures use reason as well. Just as Gerard said in his example, the animal used some reasoning to decide whether the animal should risk it or not. If their lives aren't in danger, there is no reason to risk since there should be plenty of food on their side of the river.","dateCreated":"1294560002","smartDate":"Jan 9, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"narijr16","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/narijr16","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33034308","body":"Reason is a trait given to all the living things on earth in order to survive. Fish will reason to think how to swim faster, lion will think how to get stronger, and human will think how to become smarter. I can't state it specifically, but i think there is a function for plants to reason for somehow....","dateCreated":"1295766911","smartDate":"Jan 22, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"alberttakagi","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/alberttakagi","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":7}]},{"id":"31746479","dateCreated":"1292377768","smartDate":"Dec 14, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"misterwall","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/misterwall","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285035445\/misterwall-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iqeq.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/31746479"},"dateDigested":1532762824,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Creative vs Critical Thinking","description":"To what extent are you a "critical" person? What is "critical thinking?" What is the difference between "creative thinking" and "critical thinking?"","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"32088628","body":"I try my best to be a critical thinker since I often let things flow by itself, not giving much thought into some of things in my life. However, I try to deduct the most sound and reasonable conclusions from things by thinking "critically". The term critical therefore means something reflexive and objective. For instance, our exams asks us questions like "Critically analyze the aim and success of Nazi policies" or "Do you think Objectivism is ethical in its nature?Why or why not?" These questions examine our meticulousness, objectiveness, and logic.
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\nCritical thinking may be hard for many people outside the West. What fostered this tradition of logic and objectiveness is individualism, an idea not as dominant in Asia or Africa as the West. Even many Koreans and some Japanese are not familiar with this concept because they are apt to think subjectively. Especially the older generations who lived in much more group-associated society find it difficult to discriminate criticism-which are often constructive-and mere denunciation.
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\nCreative thinking is trying to exit from conventional way of thinking, which nearly implies to invent a new way of thinking. Creative thinkers approach to a problem in a unique, unprecedented manner.Critical thinkers do not concern with the uniqueness of newness of their approach.","dateCreated":"1293341286","smartDate":"Dec 25, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"limlimlimlimlim","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/limlimlimlimlim","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32110858","body":"I think critical thinking is a process in which we evaluate a judgment, for example, and analyze given a certain standard. That standard can vary given the context. But, more commonly, being a critical thinker is, to me, making judgments base on a complete set of evidence.
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\nThe following site gives you an outline of questions answering whether or not you are thinking critically: http:\/\/college.cengage.com\/psychology\/bernstein\/psychology\/6e\/students\/key_terms\/ch02.html<\/a>
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\nHere are the questions:
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\n(a) What am I being asked to believe or accept? What is the hypothesis?
\n(b) What evidence is available to support the assertion? Is it reliable and valid?
\n(c) Are there alternative ways of interpreting the evidence?
\n(d) What additional evidence would help to evaluate the alternatives?(e) What conclusions are most reasonable based on the evidence and the number of alternative explanations?
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\nI think, if you can answer those questions without the shadow of a doubt, then you're probably thinking critically. On the other hand, thinking creatively is on the other side of the "thinking" spectrum. It involves the creation of your own personal concepts, and ideas.
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\nNow.. which is best? Does it depend on the situation? Which situation is most appropriate for which thinking style?","dateCreated":"1293536899","smartDate":"Dec 28, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"quentinperrot","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/quentinperrot","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32125192","body":"Quentin, do you have an example yourself about the situational context you are posing?
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\nShawn, you took an interesting cross-cultural perspective. Thinking with such perspective is helpful for TOK essays, since you may be asked to emphasize a range of points of views. I would agree that sequential reasoning (deductive\/inductive) is more of a hallmark of "Western" thought, and I imagine the key word in your post is "individualism," in the sense that such critical reasoning allows the individual to be the center of the process. This as opposed to a more community-based center that might emphasize harmony rather than hierarchy.
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\nMore controversially, I wonder if this distinction could also be made in regards to gender. Men tend to perform better in hierarchical relationships (and thus gravitate towards criticism,) while women tend to perform better in community relationships (and thus subjectivity.)","dateCreated":"1293656891","smartDate":"Dec 29, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"misterwall","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/misterwall","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285035445\/misterwall-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32132514","body":"My definition of "critical thinking" is similar to that of Quentin's.
\nCritical thinking is a process that is necessary when you have to judge something based on complete set of evidence. I think that critical thinking is a technique used by everyone every time he\/she acts, judges, decides, or solves a problem.
\nHence, from my perspective, everyone including me is a "critical person", since critical thinking is a process that should be taking place everyday inside everyone.
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\nCreative thinking is a completely different process of "thinking" compared to critical thinking.
\nCreative thinking requires imagination and creativity. Unlike critical thinking, which is mainly about deciding and judging, creative thinking is mainly about creating and visualizing inside your head. This process of thinking aids you in your ability to construct and develop your ideas.
\nFor example, when Steve Jobs is thinking about the next eccentric apple product, he's going through the process of "critical thinking".","dateCreated":"1293726109","smartDate":"Dec 30, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"jangho0630","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jangho0630","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32150094","body":"Critical thinking is a commonly used type of thinking that is used to judge something based on our life experiences. If anyone thinks about a cause and consequence of certain events and think based on those information from experiences, that person is a critical thinker. I personally think that non-critical thinkers are the people who act based on their intuitions.
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\nTalking about creative thinking and critical thinking, creative thinking would be thinking about things that was not in his or her experience. Critical thinking are thoughts that are commonly used by prognosticators who guess what is going to happen with the given information from their lives.","dateCreated":"1293857730","smartDate":"Dec 31, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"Chae-Young","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Chae-Young","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32179040","body":"@misterwall
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\nA situational context of critical thinking would be anything that requires a second of layer of thought.. for example, last year we learnt the levels of questions to ask.. (level 2 and 3 requiring a more critical thought).. so logically, in situations where you must think outside the box.
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\nFor example, you're the jury on a case; you have to take every little fact that is given to you, evaluate it, and make your personal judgment. In this case, you're thinking pretty critically.
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\nOr, there's a bomb on the metro, and you need to think of a way to evacuate people, to disarm it, to save yourself... you'd probably think critically then too.","dateCreated":"1294039546","smartDate":"Jan 2, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"quentinperrot","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/quentinperrot","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32179192","body":"All people think critically and creatively in school. Critical thinking in my opinion is like solving a problem with only one right answer and that cannot be changed. Math is an example of critically thinking. Creative thinking is coming up with an answer to a question that can have unlimited answers and none are right or wrong. TOK and art classes are great examples of creative thinking.","dateCreated":"1294043031","smartDate":"Jan 3, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"aaronolin","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/aaronolin","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285209639\/aaronolin-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32212078","body":"
\nChae-Young, I'm not sure we can use your distinction between critical\/creative in terms of experience. A lot scientific thinking isn't based on things that we experience, especially in fields like astrophysics. But don't we use critical thinking in that arena? What about ethical thinking? We often use hypothetical situations precisely because we can't experience it directly, and I doubt we want to entertain creative morality.
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\nAaron, am I correct in interpreting your response that TOK and art don't have only one right answer that cannot be changed? This presumes that TOK and art in your example are attempting to answer a question. If there are no questions to be asked, then of course there will be no one right answer, since any "answer" would be superfluous. But if we suppose that there *is* a question, such as an artist asking himself "what is my emotional response to this landscape," then of course there would be only one right answer.
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\nIn other words, to build off Aaron's answer, can there be critical responses to art and\/or philosophy?","dateCreated":"1294108590","smartDate":"Jan 3, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"misterwall","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/misterwall","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285035445\/misterwall-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32217456","body":"My opinion of "creative vs. critical thinking" is somewhat similar to that of Shawn's: everyone has their own unique style of creativity, while there is only one way of critical thinking. So I guess that you could have a critical response to art to some extent, but I think there will be more creativity involved since people interpret art in different ways.","dateCreated":"1294141260","smartDate":"Jan 4, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"edwardcannell","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/edwardcannell","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32440466","body":"I think the difference between "critical thinking" and "creative thinking" is that critical thinking demands for an answer that is "inside the box," where creative thinking makes you think "outside the box" and expands your perspective towards something. Everybody has both of these, and both are important because all thoughts involve either critical or creative or perhaps maybe both.","dateCreated":"1294564332","smartDate":"Jan 9, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"narijr16","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/narijr16","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32468344","body":"I agree with what Aaron said. I believe critical thinking is a way of processing a question in a completely rational and logical manner. It requires the use of evidence and proof to solve a particular problem. We critically think when we want one correct answer to a particular problem. As Aaron said, mathematics would be a valid example of this. We also put critical thinking to use when we proceed with less-scholastic affairs, such as getting to places on time, etc.
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\nNow, because I've stated that critical thinking requires logic, it does not mean that creative thinking is a completely illogical way of thought. Indeed, we use logic as a foundation when we think creatively, but it is the way we go about the think which clearly differentiates critical thinking from creative thinking. As Nari said, creative think requires us to think "outside the box", thus allowing us to expand our perspective and our space for though, which is relatively limited when we think critically. Creative thinking lets us take our time to think a solution(s) to a problem, and so often or not can be done without a maximum level of concentration. Hence, it does not require deliberate force, unlike critical thinking, which requires us to concentrate hard.","dateCreated":"1294662705","smartDate":"Jan 10, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"harryosullivan94","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/harryosullivan94","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32468372","body":"With that said, I like to think of myself as a "creative" thinker, instead of a "critical" thinker. Admittedly, I do think critically when a situation requires me to have to do so, but in normal, unpressurized situations, I personally like to think of many ways to solve a particular problem. This is not because I like doing so, for I do it subconsciously, as if that's the way I've been thinking forever.","dateCreated":"1294662918","smartDate":"Jan 10, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"harryosullivan94","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/harryosullivan94","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":1}]},{"id":"31746467","dateCreated":"1292377749","smartDate":"Dec 14, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"misterwall","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/misterwall","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285035445\/misterwall-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iqeq.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/31746467"},"dateDigested":1532762825,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Everyday Reason","description":"To what extent does "reason" show up in your everyday life? Do you consider yourself a "reasonable" person? Is it possible for reasonable people to have "unreasonable" ideas or beliefs?","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"32150174","body":"We use reasoning everyday. Even the simple action of drinking water involves reasoning. You would think unconsciously, "I am thirsty. Should I drink or not." Then you will use reasoning, "I have to drink or not I will become more thirsty", based on your life experience. After this reasoning, you will go drink the water.
\nAlso when we are doing homeworks or doing something complicated with a lot of options, we use reasoning as well.
\nI think I am a reasonable person because I consciously and non-consciously use reasoning all the time.
\nAnd nobody can have unreasonable belief or ideas since those belief and ideas comes from one's reasoning. If someone believes in something and you ask why, that person could answer "because I believe in it." This is one of the reasoning as well. Therefore there cannot be any belief or ideas that are formed unreasonably.","dateCreated":"1293858588","smartDate":"Dec 31, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"Chae-Young","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Chae-Young","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32179088","body":"I use reason in my everyday life. This means I am a reasonable person. For example, "I have an unbelievable amount of homework to do over the break. Should I pace myself and do about an hour a day and have the last 2-3 days to relax? or Relax in the beginning and save all homework for the last 2-3 days.?" I used reasoning "I want to relax and sleep," so I saved all of my homework until the end because of this reasoning. I agree with chae-young when he says nobody can have unreasonable beliefs or ideas and I think that was a very good thought.","dateCreated":"1294040668","smartDate":"Jan 2, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"aaronolin","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/aaronolin","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285209639\/aaronolin-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32211136","body":"Reason shows up very much in everyday life. "Do I need this? Do I need to do that?". These are all questions we ask ourselves everyday, and we use logic and reasoning to decide what is best for us to do. I consider myself reasonable, because I always try to do what's best, but like all reasonable people, we can also be unreasonable, in the sense that we won't budge from fundamental ideas that we have.","dateCreated":"1294106865","smartDate":"Jan 3, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Gerard777","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Gerard777","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32212826","body":"
\nDoes "unreasonable" really mean "bad?" Most of the arguments here seem to equate the two concepts, with people responding like: "Of course I'm reasonable! I'm not *un*reasonable, of course!" Why are we saying that being "unreasonable" is like saying "insane" or
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\nWhat would happen if we break it down a little. Let's not consider the connotation of the word, but rather let's consider it as merely the negation of "reason" itself. Wouldn't an emotional decision, a preferential decision, and even a random decision be considered "unreasonable" in this case? In Aaron's homework example, I would say he is actually being unreasonable by deferring to this emotions, where a more purely logical response would indeed have divided his homework in a balanced and routinized way.","dateCreated":"1294110253","smartDate":"Jan 3, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"misterwall","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/misterwall","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285035445\/misterwall-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32217226","body":"I think that when we use reason every day, a "reasonable" answer may perhaps produce the best results (such as balancing homework equally over a number of days), but is not necessarily the choice we want to take (since I would most likely procrastinate until the final couple of days). However, I don't think that thinking this way means that I am an unreasonable person, because we do use reason without knowing it, as Jang Ho says.","dateCreated":"1294140136","smartDate":"Jan 4, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"edwardcannell","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/edwardcannell","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32226228","body":"I think reasoning is mandatory process in our everyday lives. Reasoning is required to make us decide, act, and become sure with something. Even small act and thinking requires reasoning. I think I am a reasonable person; since I behave after I deal with reasoning in almost everything.","dateCreated":"1294154805","smartDate":"Jan 4, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"SooHyungJunggg","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/SooHyungJunggg","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32261924","body":"I consider myself to be a very "reasonable" guy as since I believe that the reasonable choices that I have made so far in my life has brought me to the place and person that I am today. I'm happy with the reasonable decisions I have made, as they have helped define as a distinct person different from others around me.","dateCreated":"1294207827","smartDate":"Jan 4, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"seean9","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/seean9","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285501774\/seean9-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32376078","body":"I use reasons to answer questions in the suitable way. I think i am not a very reasonable person since sometimes instead of reasons, i use my emotions. And it is possible for a reasonable person to say something unreasonable because as a human being, he should have some emotions.","dateCreated":"1294406992","smartDate":"Jan 7, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"kiyoh","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/kiyoh","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32436982","body":"Reason shows up all the time in everyday life. Perhaps everything has a reason or uses reasoning in whatever way, and we don't recognize it. I think that no one is either "reasonable" or "unreasonable," due to the fact that everybody is both. This is because we are sometimes reasonable but then we become unreasonable and back to being reasonable just like that. Therefore, this tells you that everybody can have both reasonable and unreasonable ideas or beliefs.","dateCreated":"1294538631","smartDate":"Jan 8, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"narijr16","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/narijr16","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32437224","body":"Reason is an inevitable part of lives that shapes our everyday actions and decisions. I used reason, for example, to come up with the previous statement. I used reason to decide on posting a comment on this discussion page. Thus, "reason" is the reason for all of our actions, and it is the core of our being.
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\nI agree with what Nari said. I think that no one is either reasonable or unreasonable, due to the fact that everybody is both. The webster merriam dictionary states that reason is "having sound judgment." Hence, I believe that whether or not your "reasonable" comes from your own perception of what being "reasonable" is. A particular action can be reasonable to you, but unreasonable to another individual. This tells us that we all hold reasonable and unreasonable ideas or beliefs.","dateCreated":"1294539805","smartDate":"Jan 8, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"harryosullivan94","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/harryosullivan94","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32475066","body":"There are not many situations where I use reasoning in everyday. Waking up, eating breakfast, brushing me teeth, taking the train to go to school, coming back from school, eating dinner, and sleeping mostly don't involve reasoning, in my opinion. These process could be done with experience and no reasoning.
\nHowever, maybe taking the test and doing homework might involve some reasoning. The fact that I am working my brain off to get all logics out of it is already reasoning.
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\nI agree with Kiyo's point that we "use reasons to answer questions." That perfectly supports my argument in the previous paragraph.","dateCreated":"1294671287","smartDate":"Jan 10, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"alberttakagi","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/alberttakagi","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32529588","body":"All of the actions you take consist reasons. For example, you get sleepy because your body wants some sleep, you breathe because oxygen is necessary for the body, and you wake up because your body doesn't need anymore energy. Therefore, I think that it is not possible to have anything "unreasonable". Just like we use brain to move, we have reasons to move.","dateCreated":"1294758350","smartDate":"Jan 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"takukitamura","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/takukitamura","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":6}]},{"id":"28746359","dateCreated":"1287538224","smartDate":"Oct 19, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"misterwall","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/misterwall","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285035445\/misterwall-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iqeq.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/28746359"},"dateDigested":1532762826,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"\"Truman Show\" Discussion","description":"
\nGive us your thoughts about The Truman Show.
\nWrite a casual review or talk about your experience. Alternatively, consider the following quotations and discuss what they mean and\/or what they imply:
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\n"We\u2019ve become bored with watching actors give us phony emotions. We\u2019re tired of pyrotechnics and special effects. While the world [Truman] inhabits is, in some respects, counterfeit, there is nothing fake about Truman himself. No scripts, no cue cards. It isn\u2019t always Shakespeare, but it\u2019s genuine. It\u2019s a life." (Christof)
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\n\u201cYou can\u2019t get any further away before you start coming back. You know that there are still islands there where no human being has ever set foot?\u201d (Truman)
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\n \u201cWe accept the reality with which we are presented. It is as simple as that.\u201d (Christof)
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\n"I have given Truman the chance to lead a normal life. The world, the place you live in, is the sick place. Seahaven is the way the world should be." (Christof)
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\n"He could leave at any time. If this were anything more than a vague ambition, if he was absolutely determined to discover the truth, there is no way we could prevent him." (Christof)
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\n"You were real. That\u2019s what made you so good to watch. Listen to me Truman. There is no more truth out there than there is in the world I created for you. Same lies. Same deceit. But in my world, you have nothing to fear." (Christof)","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"28893301","body":"It's interesting to relate Truman's life to how, perhaps, there's a greater power we are not aware of that may be governing our every move, to some extent. Like Truman, we are, as he wasn't, aware of this "power"... this brings us to to whether or not this power is God? Does God exist? Christof, the creator, draws a parallel between the all powerful director and God, and until we look at the greater picture, perhaps we won't be able to shift our paradigm, and grow out of our shells.
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\nI think Truman, in reality, has N-O idea what to expect on the other side of the door; he's been tricked all his life, everything he thought was normal turned out to be false, including friendship, marriage, and life in general. He has been deceived, and at that moment he knows that whatever is on the other side of that door, is better than 30 years of disgusting lies against humanity. Thinking of a human as a toy, is genocide on a smaller scale, and being responsible for such a thing is horrifying. Whatever's on the other side of that door, whether it's SAFE or not, it is "true"! Whatever he will experience on the other side, will be real emotions, and not unnaturally instilled sentiments.
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\nTruman is an interesting movie as it gives us the opportunity to take a different perspective on viewing life as it is.","dateCreated":"1287715441","smartDate":"Oct 21, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"quentinperrot","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/quentinperrot","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"28893329","body":"The "truman show" made me reconsider about the world. From what we were learning in TOK class, we have been discussing until what degree we could trust our five senses. However, in this movie, even if we could trust our senses, everything outside the world is a fallacy. So even if your eyes are interpreting the correct information to your brain, what the eyes are seeing are all not true. Therefore in the real world that i live in, what makes me think that things around me are real? What can i 100% trust? My parents? what if they are actors? In a way, the movie enlarged my paradigm, giving me a signal that there is a possibility of me living the world like the "truman's show." now i am scared of the world.","dateCreated":"1287715477","smartDate":"Oct 21, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"alberttakagi","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/alberttakagi","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"28893363","body":"As I was watching the movie, I got afraid about if this was happening in the real world. If I were Truman and everyone else around me, even my parents, are actors, I would not go out of Sea Heaven because this is my reality and I do not know the real world. There are nothing more sorrowful than realizing that your world is not a "real world". Sometimes, you experience a new world, when you graduate college and start working with no supports form your parents. However, in this case, the meaning of the "world" is different. It is same as the ant living under the pot discovers the bigger world. This is paradigm. I think that when paradigm occurs and you discover a bigger world, you will change into a totally different person. People are grown up to fit the world that you are in. Therefore, when the world changes, you are no longer yourself.","dateCreated":"1287715556","smartDate":"Oct 21, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"takukitamura","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/takukitamura","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"28969185","body":"During the film, Christof states that \u201cthere is nothing fake about Truman himself.\u201d I find this to be quite true. Truman's life was a complete set up, for seahaven was an imitation of a real life town, a mere set for a "pointless" tv show. Truman, who was born into this forged world, had no idea that all the things around him were controlled; the people, the items, the street lights, and even the weather! The only thing real about the bizarre situation was Truman, for his emotions were real, and the way he reacted to things were fresh and authentic. There was no script for Truman, nor was he acting his whole life. In this sense, Truman was the only real thing about this tv show, or the only "True - man."","dateCreated":"1287913304","smartDate":"Oct 24, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"harryosullivan94","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/harryosullivan94","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"28986845","body":"Although Cristof says "we accept the reality with which we are presented," one of the things I appreciate is that Truman does not, in fact, show this to be true. There is something about Truman that allows him to question his reality and not turn away when it becomes difficult to do so. Interestingly, he wants to be an explorer at an early age. He was also the one to push his dad to sail further when his dad wanted to turn back. So if Truman is supposed to be the "everyman" that we identify with as viewers, then the filmmakers seem to suggest that we all have the basic nature to be "questioners." Obviously, this matches my personal philosophy, so I think it's one of the most significant messages of the film!","dateCreated":"1287962020","smartDate":"Oct 24, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"misterwall","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/misterwall","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285035445\/misterwall-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"29295421","body":""I have given Truman the chance to lead a normal life. The world, the place you live in, is the sick place. Seahaven is the way the world should be." (Christof)
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\nI disagree with this quote, as I think that even if Truman escaped into the real world, nothing much would've changed. Seahaven was just like the real world - the only differences were that it had walls and cameras that filmed his every move. Even if they made a "Truman Show 2" that followed him through the real world, the content of the show would pretty much be the same.","dateCreated":"1288346478","smartDate":"Oct 29, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"edwardcannell","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/edwardcannell","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"29339403","body":"After I watched Truman Show, it really confused me whether I am a real person born to exist as me or born to entertain people. So after the TOK class, I became so suspicious that I thought there were cameras hidden around me filming every movement I took. This movie is very different than the other movies, it has some after-watching-movie-effect that make people think they are part of the Truman Show. Its a great movie","dateCreated":"1288406114","smartDate":"Oct 29, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"kiyoh","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/kiyoh","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"29363367","body":"@eddie:
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\nWould everything really be the same? He's given absolute freedom, perhaps a wife who actually loves him, and maybe have children. Of course the ultimate aim of Seahaven was to reflect "reality," but ultimately, I think it really didn't. Although it may not have seemed as if he was controlled, Truman, given the way he was brought up, has a different "mentality" and so his actions reflect those his creators want to portray in the show; as misterwall said, the fact Truman wants to become an explorer shows the raw human instinct, showing that perhaps, subconsciously, Truman knew there was a parallel. Making the connection between your emotions and reality is the hardest step to take, but once you take it, so many doors open up to you. In this case, Truman's paradigm is extended, and he is given the opportunity to live a real "normal life."","dateCreated":"1288508352","smartDate":"Oct 30, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"quentinperrot","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/quentinperrot","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"29503697","body":"@Kiyoh
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\nI totally agree with Kiyoh. This movie not only confuses us if we are living in a reality but also about our purpose of life. Truman Show kind of gave us feeling that if we are living for the right purpose or if we are looking at right reality and working the right way to develope that reality. In Truman show, Truman not only worked for wrong reality and couldn't look at the right reality until he sailed out of the sea. This movie gives us impression as 'Matrix' does, forcing us to question if the things that we are looking illusion or not.","dateCreated":"1288734231","smartDate":"Nov 2, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"Chae-Young","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Chae-Young","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"29607213","body":"I feel the Truman show made me feel very strange about my life very similar to @Kiyoh. After watching it I feel as if my entire life is staged and everyone around me is acting. It was a good movie and every alternative day that we were not in TOK i really wanted to be in class watching the movie. It was also a very good example of perception and our world is only what we no (paradigm) which is very similar to the ant story.","dateCreated":"1288850574","smartDate":"Nov 3, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"aaronolin","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/aaronolin","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285209639\/aaronolin-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32210438","body":"I think all those quotations imply that Christof thinks that the real world he inhabits is a bad place, and he thinks that seahaven is the way life needs to truly be. He also says that "we've become bored with actors giving us phony emotions...". In the truman show, since everything is unscripted, all emotion is raw and true, in direct contrast to most movies nowadays.","dateCreated":"1294105926","smartDate":"Jan 3, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Gerard777","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Gerard777","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32225772","body":"@alberttakagi
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\nI agree with albert that this movie made me reconsider about the world. I personally agreed most with the part where we cannnot trust our senses fully. Seeing or touching something doesn't mean that they actually exist. This movie also made me feel like these kinds of 'movie' are actually going on and I might be the one of the heroes that everyone all over the world watches. I started to be afraid of the current world, also.","dateCreated":"1294154260","smartDate":"Jan 4, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"SooHyungJunggg","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/SooHyungJunggg","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":10}]},{"id":"27314421","dateCreated":"1285034277","smartDate":"Sep 20, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"misterwall","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/misterwall","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285035445\/misterwall-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iqeq.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/27314421"},"dateDigested":1532762828,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"9\/24: \"To Know\" ","description":"Discuss the word "to know." What does it mean to know something? What is the extend of knowledge? How does it relate to words like: to imagine, to be ideal, to believe, etc.
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\nAssignment:
\n1) Please enter your initial thoughts by responding to this prompt (or to the 'spirit' of the prompt.)
\n2) Please respond to the thoughts of at least one other student. Responses should be direct, succinct, but insightful.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"27657835","body":"I strongly agree with Shawn, or at least I think that is Shawn. If we cannot be sure that we know anything, then how can we be sure that we don't know anything? In other words, if you know that we don't know, we must NOT know, therefore we cannot know that we know. Rather confusing, it is just an infinite loophole.
\n "I think, therefore I am." -Descartes.","dateCreated":"1285684204","smartDate":"Sep 28, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"I_am_the_Eggman","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/I_am_the_Eggman","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285210616\/I_am_the_Eggman-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"27659455","body":"In my opinion, I believe that "to know" something is simply to have the confidence to answer back questions -that people asks you, or that comes up in your mind- with using all the information and expriences you learnt in the past.
\nIf we get too deep into context, we can always say that we can never trust our five senses, which then brings us to the same conclusion all the time. By neglecting the fact that the five senses are not reliable, "to know" something really depends on how much you trust yourself about knowing something. Even if someone might claim that the formula, 1+1=2 is not true; if you believe that it is true, then I believe that it is true. I am sure that no one can argue about "trustin yourself" to be wrong, or faulse. That is not a subject that the other people can make judgements about.
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\nResponding to Soo Hyung's,
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\nI liked his idea of "I may perceive a flower as pink, while the other may perceive the flower as red or orange."
\nWith incorporating this idea with the thoughts aforementioned, I think the degree of "how much we know about something" may be different from all people. What you always have thought to be "true" by "knowing" might not be equal to the others. Our levels of interpretation of something might be all different.
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\nEven now, we are assigned to discuss how we know "to know", but as a result, we don't know what exactly is to know. And I don't want to know the exact answer for "to know". To make my life simple, I will just beileve what I believe to be the truth.","dateCreated":"1285685730","smartDate":"Sep 28, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"alberttakagi","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/alberttakagi","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"27661307","body":""To know" is something that you think that is true in your mind and it can be anything. Some people say that knowledge is a logic, however, in my opinion, knowledge is your thought on the logic. For example, when you learn world history, all the things that the teacher say is not your knowledge. All the things you come up with and opinions about them become your knowledge. Knowledge does not have to be correct or in a way that teachers teach you, as long as if it is your perspective toward the things that you learn.","dateCreated":"1285687366","smartDate":"Sep 28, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"takukitamura","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/takukitamura","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"27706229","body":"@Shawn- Have you been studying philosophy already? That's our next unit! You might be ahead of the game.
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\nMaybe you guys are pointing out some problems with being so absolute about everything. You end up creating a paradox. "If we can't know anything, how do you know we can't know anything!"
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\nAlso, just because you say you don't KNOW something is true, isn't the same as saying it ISN'T true in the first place. Albert brings up 1+1. But just because you might not KNOW that 1 + 1 = 2, it still equals 2 no matter what. Right?","dateCreated":"1285727577","smartDate":"Sep 28, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"misterwall","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/misterwall","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285035445\/misterwall-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"27776565","body":"In response to Shawn's post, I consider that there is no objective truth. Though, it seems like there are always general definitions for each term. Those are all based on people's subjective views. Thus, I agree with Shawn's opinion that everything is all worth to be doubted truly.","dateCreated":"1285849126","smartDate":"Sep 30, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"SooHyungJunggg","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/SooHyungJunggg","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"27777393","body":"In response to Mr. Wall's post...
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\nI agree, as I think that "something that is true" and "something that you know" are two separate things. While they are similar, not knowing something does not disprove the fact that it is true.","dateCreated":"1285850193","smartDate":"Sep 30, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"edwardcannell","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/edwardcannell","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"27780371","body":"It's true that we'll just go around in circles and never move forward if we say that "we can't know anything" is "true," if we don't know if that statement is "true." Also, I agree with Mr. Wall as 1+1=2 no matter what because we "know" it as a fact and that that's the way it is unless everything in this world is "wrong!!" So, I guess we can't say that we "don't know something is true" in those cases because it doesn't mean that "it isn't true."","dateCreated":"1285854064","smartDate":"Sep 30, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"narijr16","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/narijr16","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"27820147","body":"I guess that is what I'm basically saying. It's a short step from "we can only know our own subjective truth" to "we can never be sure we know anything if there is truth at all" to "why bother trying to find truth in the first place if there is no ultimate end." In what way is saying "we can never know anything" kind of giving up before you even start?","dateCreated":"1285889308","smartDate":"Sep 30, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"misterwall","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/misterwall","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1285035445\/misterwall-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"28109407","body":"@ misterwall:
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\nIf you do tell yourself that you "can never know anything", then, in the end, this whole process for example, or the education system would be useless. Our society, as a whole, is based on what we know. For example, we are brought up to specialize in several activities, whether it is business or classical music; at the end of a 7-year course, people "assume" you know what you're doing.. The next step is finding a job, which is also based upon the simple concept of knowledge, and what you've been taught. You want to be a surgeon? - well, you've done several years of study and several internships... and by then, you know what you're doing.
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\nSo in the end, can we say someone knows something when you wave a diploma, or is knowing something less of a materialist concept, and more of a spiritual one?
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\nWhen it comes to an emotional aspect, can a "diploma", metaphorically, mean anything whatsoever? Can you certified to "feel" something? For example, you are pickpocketed in the subway; your immediate reaction is anger. Can you know you're feeling the anger? In the end, the answer is most probably yes.
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\nSo, with every context comes a different definition of knowledge.","dateCreated":"1286442712","smartDate":"Oct 7, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"quentinperrot","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/quentinperrot","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"28265473","body":"How are you 100% sure that 1+1=2? Because I don't think that it's always\/all the time true.
\nFor example, let's say that you have 1 apple at home, and you buy another one from a store and bring at back home. Now you have 2 apples, and I agree the same way.
\nHowever, let's say that there are 1 pile of sand on one side, and another one, that is exactly the same in size, shape as the first one, right next to it. If you bring those two piles together, now you only have one pile of sand. In quantity, yes, it might be twice the original size. But your eyes only see 1 pile, and if you were to ask a random guy, who just passes by, to count how many piles of sand he sees, I am quite sure, from my experience, that he would say 1.","dateCreated":"1286799805","smartDate":"Oct 11, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"alberttakagi","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/alberttakagi","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32476856","body":"After all, I don't think humans have the ability to know anything. For example, in real life when a father is trying to teach something that he "knows" a to his son, he is only listing down words that help him to support his logic. The truth is that not even the father is sure about what he is saying, and what he "knows." He is simply passing down words that he heard from his college professors speaking, and thinking that he understands or "knows" everything.
\nA lot of times, when people get stuck in a question, they say "who knows?" I personally think that these two words mean a lot. we can never know who knows the answer. Maybe only God "knows." Therefore, I say "Who Knows How to Know?"","dateCreated":"1294672956","smartDate":"Jan 10, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"alberttakagi","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/alberttakagi","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"32529346","body":"I agree with Albert that "humans have the ability to know anything." I think that knowing something is just a misapprehension that brain just perceives that something is true. Knowledge can vary anytime by the influences from the surrounding. For example, you know that a student who gets GPA above 4.00 is smart. However, what if all of a sudden, everyone else gets perfect 4.50 and that student stays at 4.00? You will know that this student is not as smart as the others.Therefore, knowing is just a misapprehension.","dateCreated":"1294757972","smartDate":"Jan 11, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"takukitamura","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/takukitamura","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":31}]}],"more":false},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}